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The Great Tribulation--Past or Future?: Two Evangelicals Debate the Question Paperback – May 13, 1999

by Thomas Ice (Author), Kenneth L. Gentry Jr. (Author)
4.8 out of 5 stars 33 ratings
This engaging book brings together the opposing viewpoints of two respected evangelicals on whether the Great Tribulation is a past, present, or future event. This material is especially helpful in gaining an understanding of end times as the arguments are presented in a friendly debate format with responses by each author to the other's position.
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  1. Print length
    224 pages
  2. Language
    English
  3. Publisher
    Kregel Academic & Professional
  4. Publication date
    May 13, 1999
  5. Dimensions
    5.5 x 0.55 x 8.5 inches
  6. ISBN-10
    0825429013
  7. ISBN-13
    978-0825429019
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Thomas Ice (ThM, Dallas Theological Seminary; PhD, Tyndale Seminary) is the director of the Pre-Trib Research Center and resides in Lynchburg, Virginia.

Kenneth L. Gentry Jr. (M.Div., Reformed Theological Seminary; Th.M. and Th.D., Whitefield Theological Seminary) is a professor at Christ College in California.

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  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ Kregel Academic & Professional (May 13, 1999)
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • Paperback ‏ : ‎ 224 pages
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 0825429013
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0825429019
  • Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 9.6 ounces
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 5.5 x 0.55 x 8.5 inches
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    4.8 out of 5 stars 33 ratings

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  1. Thomas Ice

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    THOMAS ICE is Executive Director of The Pre-Trib Research Center in Justin, Texas, which he founded in 1994 with Dr. Tim LaHaye to research, teach, and defend the pretribulational rapture and related Bible prophecy doctrines. Ice has authored and co-authored over 30 books, written hundreds of articles, and is a frequent conference speaker. He has served as a pastor for 17 years. Dr. Ice has a B.A. from Howard Payne University, a Th.M. from Dallas Theological Seminary and a Ph.D. from Tyndale Theological Seminary, and did postdoctoral work at the University of Wales. He lives with his wife Janice in Justin, Texas.

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    Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., Th.D. is a retired Presbyterian minister, author of numerous books on theology and biblical studies, and a conference speaker who has spoken throughout America, in the Caribbean, and Australia. He is a conservative, evangelical, and Reformed Christian.

    He holds a B.A. from Tennessee Temple University (Biblical Studies); the M.Div. from Reformed Theological Seminary (Pastoral Ministry); and the Th.M. and Th.D. from Whitefield Theological Seminary (New Testament).

    He is married (since 1971) and has three married children (and six grandchildren).

    He also has several professionally-produced educational videos available at his personal website: www.KennethGentry.com.

    He oversees a correspondence course on Christian research, writing, and publication. His Righteous Writing course is available at:

    http://www.kennethgentry.com/products/Righteous-Writing-Correspondence-Course-%2820-CDs-%252b-books%29.html

    In September 2013 he established an eschatology blog promoting postmillennialism and orthodox preterism: www.PostmillennialismToday.com.

    He has a Facebook page and welcomes new "friends" there.

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  • reformerpreaching_books instagram
    5.0 out of 5 stars The great tribulation is in the past!
    Reviewed in the United States on August 4, 2023
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    A masterclass from Dr. Gentry! Very dissapointing from Dr. Ice. He uses straw man arguments, bad exegises, bad and inconsistent hermeneutics to push the wrong idea of futuristic dispensationalism.
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  • Jaymin Jordan-allen
    5.0 out of 5 stars Why Thomas Ice? Gentry superb!
    Reviewed in the United States on July 7, 2007
    Immediately when I glanced at the two interlocutors in this debate-book, I knew it would be one sided. Thomas Ice (with all due respect) is just not up to par with Gentry's scholarship. Ice's comparison to Zechariah 14, would have to be his strongest argument in this book. There really is not much else to Ice's contribution. For Matthew 24:34, Ice simply gives alternative ways this "unambiguous, non-apocalyptic, non-poetic didactic assertion" may be interpreted but does not deal with the obvious (Gentry's) interpretation. By circumventing the semantic feildery of the phrase "this generation shall not pass away..." Ice really believes he has accomplished something. In Ice's initial argument, Matthew 24 is not even dealt with (the topic of debate). Ice, jumps to the OT (which is not wrong as a backdrop, but when the subject is the "great tribulation" you should focus on the great tribulation). Thomas Ice is a bit better, in criticizing Gentry's exposition on "The Great Tribulation" in his rebuttal; however it is not nearly strong enough to over turn Kenneth Gentry's precision. The ridiculous gap that Thomas Ice argues for between Matthew/Mark and Luke is quite pathetic. He argues that Luke's account of the Olivet discourse was fulfilled in A.D. 70 while Matthew and Mark are still future. Ice does this by appealing at a couple of differences in word usages by the three gospel accounts. It is quite sad that Thomas Ice zeros in on trivialities and deems this scholarship, there is another name for it; pedantry. Just visit your local Christian bookstore and grab a copy of any harmonious gospels, and Ice's argument immediately becomes moot! So then, my question is why was Thomas Ice chosen to represent the futurist view? There are many other notable scholars that would have made an formidable debatee for Dr. Gentry: G.K. Beale, Robert Thomas, David Turner, Robert Saucy, Richard Gaffin, Robert Strimple, etc...

    Kenneth Gentry on the other hand is at his best... As usual Gentry is well presented and easily comprehended. Gentry, lays down some preliminary guidelines, before he tramples into Matthew 24. Really impressive is the historical context in which Gentry places the entire discourse. I will tell you, I have yet to see anyone as persuasive as this man in eschatology. Gentry is defiantly championed as the pinnacle of eschatological scholars. After reading this and the strength of Dr. Gentry's argument, you will be amazed and wish to further read the rest of Dr. Gentry's work. Unfortunately Dr. Gentry's rebuttal in this book is not too informative due to Thomas Ice's inadequacy to effectively present his case. Dr. Gentry is forced to way through much of the futurist jargon, that Ice disperses in his opening argument. Furthermore, Gentry is forced to begin analyzing childish objections like discontinuity between the 3 accounts of the Olivet discourse in the gospels (although Luke contains the same time delimiter "this generation" (v.32) Ice still presses this issue of a futuristic Matthew and past Luke). Gentry literally takes Thomas Ice to town on every aspect of the discourse, it was unfortunate to watch a fellow Christian take such a pounding. However Gentry does this respectfully and lovingly (see Gentry's conclusion at the end of the book). I would recommended this for every student who has developed a keen interest in eschatology; for the Futurist be upset with Thomas Ice, however listen to Kenneth Gentry.
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  • SolaAccurata
    5.0 out of 5 stars "Gentry Causes Global Warming through Ice Melt"
    Reviewed in the United States on October 5, 2011
    Gentry does a masterful job of chopping down the Dispensational Deadwood, using each devastating argument to send it crashing down. He does the unthinkable and turns up the heat on Ice, who melts into a pathetic puddle of theological waste. This debate is over before it even begins, mostly due to the overwhelming historical and contextual evidence Gentry employs. While much more could be said to describe the pummeling Ice receives, it's sufficient to say that Gentry is a flamethrower who uses Ice to water the precious garden of theological understanding, bringing much needed growth and clarity.
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  • Derrick Neve
    5.0 out of 5 stars An excellent presentation of the subject
    Reviewed in the United States on November 8, 2004
    Regardless of your current thoughts on the subject, this book will help you tie together any loose ends. It represents a very clear and easily-readable presentation of two opposite views of eschatology: futurism (dispensationalism) and preterism.

    Like most evangelical Christians today, I grew up learning and teaching dispensationalism. Many studies in Daniel meant I had the images and calculations down pat. However, there was a nagging doubt involved in stretching the 70th week out for over two thousand years. Suddenly -- and recently -- everything is falling into place.

    If you are unfamiliar with any other view of the end times, do yourself a favour and get a copy of this book. Both sides are very clearly presented. Read them and make up your own mind.
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  • Jerry Dodson
    5.0 out of 5 stars A Remembrance of Things Past
    Reviewed in the United States on June 8, 2000
    The recent flurry of books containing debates in print is welcome, and refreshing. Nothing gives the reader a better introduction to a controversial subject than two scholars hashing it out under one cover. With the phenomenal success of the Jerry Jenkins/ Tim LaHaye prophecy novels, a layman-friendly defense of preterism is long overdue. (Preterism is the belief that much--NOT ALL--of Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation was fulfilled in AD 70.) Dr. Kenneth Gentry is one of the most eloquent and intelligent proponents of preterism currently publishing. Dr. Tommy Ice is a well-known dispensational author and speaker. Dr. Gentry carefully and persuasively makes a water tight case for preterism, leaving Dr. Ice to melt in a puddle of twisted Scripture, illogic, and unfounded supposition. Dispensational theology, with its harmful hermenutic and execrable eschatology, has dominated the thinking of the church for far too long. If you want to see why Hal Lindsey and company are constantly scrambling for credibility, read the first half of this book (Dr. Gentry's contribution.) If you still aren't convinced that LaHaye and Jenkins are publishing gross error, you weren't paying attention.
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  • M. Elam
    4.0 out of 5 stars One Sided, but for Unusual Reasons
    Reviewed in the United States on May 6, 2007
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    My wife (a futurist) and I (a [partial] preterist) have been reading this book together, and have found it to be only effectively presented by Gentry. My wife's own observations have been that Ice's arguments are often obscure and without a logical thread (e.g. he often begs the question about whether certain passages ought to be read as he does when presenting them to support his position). It has been disappointing for both of us. We both found Gentry's arguments to be lucid, logical, and reasonable; and we both found Ice not to be up to the task. Perhaps someone other than Ice would have been a better choice.
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  • Tom Tom
    5.0 out of 5 stars a fantastic read!
    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on May 11, 2014
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    A great book, Gentry Jr at his best, what i like about this book is that these two men are friends and the book reflects that, i must say the preterist view is the more convincing of the two positions, and Gentry's arguments are solid and bible based! :0)
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