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On its initial publication, Forgive and Remember emerged as the definitive study of the training and lives of young surgeons. Now with an extensive new preface, epilogue, and appendix by the author, reflecting on the changes that have taken place since the book's original publication, this updated second edition of Charles L. Bosk's classic study is as timely as ever.

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On its initial publication, Forgive and Remember emerged as the definitive study of the training and lives of young surgeons. Now with an extensive new preface, epilogue, and appendix by the author, reflecting on the changes that have taken place since the book's original publication, this updated second edition of Charles L. Bosk's classic study is as timely as ever.

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  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ The University of Chicago Press; 2nd edition (October 15, 2003)
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • Paperback ‏ : ‎ 301 pages
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 0226066789
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0226066783
  • Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 14 ounces
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 8.54 x 5.82 x 0.65 inches
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Reviewed in the United States on July 16, 2010
A must read for any Medicare central planner and anyone interested in healthcare reform.

In his classic study of medical education Forgive and Remember sociologist Charles Bosk points out that a misunderstanding about how physicians make the distinction between what is a reasonable treatment option that is later proven wrong and one that is an indefensible medical error, leads to a misunderstanding about how the medical profession can or cannot be controlled. The concept of a medical error is an indeterminate category, similar to what is beautiful or merciful (p.24). This indeterminateness is caused by the nature of medical knowledge itself which is constituted by two modes, scientific knowledge (or "general knowledge" in Hayek's terminology) and clinical expertise (or "local knowledge" in Hayek's terminology). Bosk points out that "arguments based on clinical expertise override those based on scientific evidence" (p.85). Local knowledge trumps general knowledge.

The apprenticeship that is a residency program for medical students in which an experienced attending physician conveys to the inexperienced resident when to follow scientific knowledge and when to follow clinical experience constitutes the most critical element of that education. Residents are expected to study and know the general rules. Attending physicians are expected to teach residents to recognize the exceptions to those general rules. That clinical acumen or clinical eye characteristic of an experienced attending physician, his clinical expertise, "is a charismatic possession, a gift of grace; its exact nature is a mystery" (p.92). Medical education has evolved over hundreds of years and is structured today partially as a way for medical residents to appreciate that mystery.

The assumption by Medicare and all medical central planners that the healthcare system can be made more efficient through centralized decision making far from the bedside clashes with how clinicians grapple with medical errors, understand their cause and implement remedies, a process that is "an extreme example of local knowledge" (Bosk's own terminology in p. xxiii). Bosk concludes that medical "errors are not events that can be counted. Their existence needs to be debated; the discourse over precisely what is and is not an error is necessary to the formation of a sense of professional responsibility."

If Medicare wants to have local patients, physicians and hospitals adapt quickly to the rapid pace of change happening at the local level in order to reduce costs, it would seem that the best and indeed only way to make that happen is to let the local people who are most familiar with those local conditions, local resources and local changes to make those adaptations. Centralizing that process only slows down adaptation at the local level, reduces coordination and increases misallocation of capital, supplies, and labor.

Only the free market and its price system and not central planning can solve this problem.
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Reviewed in the United States on July 17, 2023
Tells you the value of being able to trust your health care team & how important it is to pick a top notch professional
Reviewed in the United States on May 12, 2020
If you are taking your comprehensive graduate exam and one of your areas is Medical Education, this is a requirement. I love Bosk and the study is super interesting.
Reviewed in the United States on November 21, 2015
An academic looks at how medicine follows it's own failures.
Reviewed in the United States on March 24, 2021
Requested by Medical faculty for continuous education
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Reviewed in the United States on November 9, 2007
This book gives an astounding and unprecedented look into the social structure of the surgeon. After graduation from medical school, I spent 7 years in residency and another 13 years teaching surgery to residents. This book gives a sensitive and accurate description of the ethos of surgery and shows why being a surgeon is who someone "is" and not what someone "does".
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Reviewed in the United States on February 6, 2016
Should be easily available to old and new doctors. A way to give a framework and values to medical errors, oversights, and malpractice.
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Reviewed in the United States on January 3, 2015
It a classic in the surgeon ethnography
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Klaus Allerbeck
5.0 out of 5 stars Hervorragende Untersuchung (participant (?) observation) !!
Reviewed in Germany on November 13, 2013
Gute Einblicke in die Chirurgen-Ausbildung in den US um die Zeit des laufenden Verfahrens (impeachment) gegen Nixon, mit Rückblick auf die Studie durch den Autor ...
Gord McKenna
3.0 out of 5 stars A bit dated, not the most exciting read
Reviewed in Canada on August 8, 2010
Well written, well documented, and a bit sobering. A shorter version would be an easier read. As an engineer, I enjoyed learning more about what it means to be a professional, through the eyes of the medical profession. The book is a bit dated, the 2nd edition does little to update the 1st.

What struck with me most, is that senior surgeons have to let young surgeons make mistakes while operating, otherwise the youngsters will never learn. Disturbing if you or someone you love is going under the knife. The author says that simple mistakes are normal and tolerated (like nicking an organ with a knife), and errors regarding decisions to operate or not are also fair game. But covering up or not admitting a mistake quickly is a grevious error, and can get you kicked out of surgery school (and on to another school). But in any profession, not being able to trust the people working under you is pretty tough.

Like so many technical books, you might want to read the first few chapters, and skim through the rest.